Posted by: Avivah | February 15, 2010

Recognizing parental authority

>>Reading this post (Avivah’s note: about disciplining a nine year old) left me wondering, sort of from the ‘devil’s advocate’ perspective, what happens when children are so astute that they understand that they can just keep saying no, that they can refuse, and they can refuse the punishment as well? Has that never happened to you? I’ve heard other parents in real life discussing this issue… and a common response is that “every child has their currency” (or hot button’s, or the things that can be taken away from them that matter to them). I know that in your family the consequences are usually something to do with taking care of the family (cleaning, cooking, that sort of thing), but a child could just say no to those things, at some point. What do you do then? I don’t really like the idea of finding a child’s ‘currency’ – meaning, finding that one thing they love dearly, perhaps the one thing that is meaningful in their lives, and just taking it away.<<

It’s true that many parents get into a tizzy when their child flouts their authority.  What’s surprising is that parents expect them to listen when they’ve never clearly conveyed to their children that the parents are the authorities in the home.  If you have a child who listens to you and you’ve never had to flex your parental authority, then you have an unusual child!

As I’ve shared before, my consequences are generally linked to the area a child was struggling with.  A child who complains about a particular chore will get more days doing that chore.  Someone who is mean to a sibling will have to play with them and be extra nice to them for a set amount of time.  I can do this because I recognize and use my parental power; I wouldn’t necessarily tell someone who hasn’t yet established their authority to do what I do.

When you have parental power and your child knows it, you’ll be tested a lot less since they know there will be an unpleasant outcome if they cross you.  My kids recognize this, and I don’t often have to assert that authority in a big way.   Do they ever say ‘no’ to me?  Yes, it happens, and I deal with it immediately.  Saying ‘no’ repeatedly and refusing to honor your parents isn’t a sign of an astute child; rather it’s a sign of a child who is testing and can clearly see that his parents are afraid to back up their words with action.

I don’t like the idea of taking away something that has ‘currency’, as expressed above.  To me it’s a clear indication that the parent doesn’t have much authority, and the only thing they can think of to do is take away the special toy/electronics/cell phone.  If they didn’t have that to take away, they’d have no way to get their child to respect their requests, would they?  The idea that a parent has to borrow power – because they obviously don’t have it – by taking away something precious is the root of the problem.

You as a parent must recognize and be willing to exercise your parental power to establish your authority.  To help you recognize the kind of power you have as a parent, I’m going to be crystal clear about this, even at the risk of being called heartless and controlling:

YOU ARE THE PARENT AND YOU HAVE ALL THE POWER.  HE HAS NOTHING WITHOUT YOU.

You control access to everything – food, friends, phone, computer, games, clean clothes  – EVERYTHING.  Every single thing a child has is a privilege.  And your child needs to know that.  You don’t have to resort to taking away favored objects – you simply remove access to basics.  A child who disobeys gets nothing (obviously he continues to receive basic food, water, and bathroom access) and does nothing until ready to acknowledge he is living in his parents’ home, under his parents’ generosity and under his parents’ rules.

I know, I’m making you squirm in horror, right? :lol:   Don’t think it will work?  Try it. They learn very fast. But only if a parent doesn’t get squeamish about doing what needs to be done to raise their child well.

(This post is part of Works for Me Wednesday.)

Avivah


Responses

  1. So you are saying that if a child refuses to comply in the following senario: “Shprintzy, you hit your brother..you must apologize and play nice with him for 10 min.” Sprintzy says “NO”.. Then the parent says no crayons, books, computer, etc..until you comply? Just trying to clarify for myself here, hope my post is coherent!

    • Hi, Sarah, welcome! I was showing that every parent does have the power to back up anything you request of your child. So your child hits his sibling, you tell him to apologize and then play nicely for ten minutes. He refuses. What do you do then? You at some point must show your child that he MUST listen to you, not because he feels like it or agrees with you, but because you say something. Understanding and recognizing that you have power keeps you from feeling helpless when he defies you, because you know you have choices.

      Back to your hypothetical scenario: parent then tells him to stay on the couch until he’s ready to play with his sibling. He does nothing until he’s ready to get up and comply with a good attitude with what you ask of him. What if he gets up and gets off? I don’t suggest wrestling an older child down; a younger child you simply pick up and firmly put back on the couch. I’d then say something like the following, very calmly and deliberately:

      ‘Ds, you have hurt your sister and spoken to me disrespectfully/ignored what you were told. I don’t think you understand the choice you’re making, so I’m going to explain it to you. By choosing to get off that couch you’re choosing to lose every privilege that you enjoy in this house. That means (name the privileges he may not be recognizing as such). You have sixty seconds to think about if that’s what you want to do. If you’re not back on the couch by the end of a minute you will have made the choice to have a very boring and limited existence for the next (hour/day/week). ” And I don’t mess around with ten minutes. You have the power to make him feel the consequences of that choices. Putting him on this status for fifteen minutes is an annoyance to him more than anything else, so I do longer periods of time.

      That was a pretty wordy answer but I hope it somewhat made things more clear.

  2. Thanks! You made things crystal clear :)

  3. Thank you as well.

  4. You rock – seriously! I wouldn’t want to be snowed in with 9 kids without you! I send links to your blog to my friends all the time – here goes another one :-)

    • Thanks for sharing what I write with your friends – that’s a nice compliment for me!

      • Avivah, I’ve had conversations with friends that started out with, “Did you read Avivah’s blog today?” :)

      • That’s so nice, Yehudis – thanks for telling me!

      • I actually refer to you among friends who are readers of your blog as Avivah, like “Well, Avivah says or Avivah has a recipe for that”

      • I feel so famous! :lol: :lol:

  5. Two questions. First of all, I’m wondering if you have to become a strict disciplinarian type to be a good parent, if that’s not your nature. I am much better at indirect influence — inspiring, encouraging, etc. My kids definitely perceive me as an authority figure, but I don’t think I’m nearly as strict as you. Then again, my mother wasn’t strict either. She is kind and soft-spoken, and we always had respect for her, and still do. My grandmother, a”h, was also very kind and soft-spoken, and the whole family respected her very much. Can’t one be an authority figure without doing anything like you described above?

    Second, how much authority do you give older siblings? I know the halacha says that younger siblings should honor their older siblings as much as their parents, but it never worked in my house. The older sibling tends to abuse her power and make the younger sibling do everything she doesn’t want to do herself. She asks her to go get her scissors, get her an eraser, sharpen her pencil, etc. So I ended up telling the kids that the younger siblings don’t have to listen, but I don’t think that’s the right thing either.

    • Actually, I don’t consider myself a strict parent, and neither do my kids – because we spend most of our time enjoying each other, not engaged in disciplinary interactions. Someone once came to my house for a meal – a strict disciplinarian – and said she couldn’t figure out why my kids did what I asked since I didn’t do all the things she associated with firm parenting (threaten, count to ten, raise my voice)!

      But to answer the question, of course there are many ways to be a successful parent without doing what I do! I’m sharing what’s worked for me. I do think that however strict or relaxed you are, kids benefit from a lot of love and clear expectations about what is acceptable.

      Will PG answer the questions about older siblings in a different post.

  6. Avivah, I agree with everything you wrote, but IMHO, there is a step that needs to be taken before a parent can take on authority, and that’s to take responsibility. It’s to realize that while “YOU ARE THE PARENT AND YOU HAVE ALL THE POWER. HE HAS NOTHING WITHOUT YOU.” is true, for a healthy relationship authority needs to be built on the foundation of responsibility. You as the parent have all the responsibility, period. I have seen many parents blame their partners or children instead of just stepping up to the plate, and as a result, I see unhappy children. I don’t think there can be any authority before there is responsibility.
    P.S. Thanks for the RSS feed!! :)

    • You’re welcome for the feed – you know you were my inspiration, right? :)

      I totally agree about the need for parents to take responsibility. It’s unfortunate that many parents are so busy pointing of fingers at everyone else because they’re afraid of being blamed that they don’t look at what they can and should be doing better. To me being responsible and authoritative go together; if you don’t take responsibility and simultaneously try to assert yourself, you’ll end up an immature bully.

  7. Very well said.


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